Ohio State self reports NCAA violation after Tressel took players to Final Four

His actions resulted in reporting a secondary violation to the NCAA.

Do you guys think Ohio State will punish Tressel or possibly fire him?

Yes, I think we have a new nickname for Neuheisel….The Leopard! Ah, here comes the UCLA football team led by….The Leopard!

Oh, those spots on the leopard. 51 secondary violations. What were these absolutely unforgivable violations? Well there were the more than 20 free boat rides to the UW campus across Lake Washington. Hmmm, no free cars or anything? No. And, then there were the recruits he illegally had face-to-face contact with. Those violations occurred when he phoned recruits and told them to look out their window in 10 minutes. Then, he would drive by their house and wave. Oh, my God! This man is Ted Bundy, the BTK Killer, Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer all rolled into one. The Leopard!

C’mon. A young coach trying to aggressively recruit players drives by their house and waves. Get a rope!

Get off of Walker…turn the page…of course he is not ready to be a Head Coach and hiring him would be a terrible decision. Every time that you attack Walker and what a horrible job he’s done with this year’s defense, you almost NEVER, if ever, link it to the abortion of an offense that left the defense on the field way too often and in bad field position over and over again througout the season.
Or are you possibly saying that because the defense was so bad, it made our offense horrible?!
NO Dwayne Walker but you need to take a better angle.
Am I completely wrong here? or did our offense have a great deal to do with our defensive woes at times?
Please, someone help me understand…was it Dwayne Walker that is such a horrible defensive coordinator or do the other factors come into play?
I’m not a football guru but the attacks on Dwayne Walker’s ability to coach defense are starting to make me wonder about the ferocity in which he is being attacked here as a defensive coach.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND…SOMEONE OTHER THAN DD PLEASE!

mme38…..I believe DW is a quality Defensive Coordinator and I truly hope he stays as DC and Ass’t Head Coach to the next Head Coach who I think will be Neuheisel. The defense is far more physical and tackles better than any UCLA defense in the past 10 years. The players play hard for him and I think he is a good recruiter. Yes, 3 and outs do hurt a defense and so does an offense that constantly settles for FG’s. I am from Philadelphia and Dick Vermeil is a GOD in Philly. Still lives there and has been doing commercials for Blue Cross and a Cadillac dealer since 1976.
But it struck me as I began contributing to this website…do you realize that UCLA has not hired a Head Coach from another college since Pepper Rodgers in 1971?!
Vermeil was Rams assistant, Donahue a Vermeil ass’t, Toledo a Donahue ass’t and KD a Broncos Ass’t. UCLA fans, and rightly so, want someone with previous experience, a proven winner. Also, this year’s expectations were 10-2 or 9-3 and simply DW, fairly or not, represents the mediocrity and incredible, maddening INCONSISTENCY of many years.
Just a note, a crestfallen Ed Cunningham on ESPN, while touting DW, says he has learned that DW WILL NOT get the job.

Just watched the ESPN preview of the Vegas Bowl and the info-mercial for Walker being the next UCLA football coach. If he’s so good why didn’t WSU snap him up? Give me a break! He may be a qualified head coach at a lower tier school, but he’s not ready to run UCLA’s football program anymore than Dorrell was. Pass!

I have to agree that we should cut DW some slack. There actually were a couple of games where the defense won the game for us. Turnovers saved our ass a couple of times.
I just feel that we need a proven coach and not someone who is learning on the job. We tried that. Enough said.
The big problem this year was injury to the QB crew and also the running backs. I think recruiting was a big part of the problem. Look at the schools that are always in the BCS hunt. Recruiting and depth are their keys to success. A player gets hurt and they plug another into his position without any drop off.
This goes especially true for the QB spot. Seems the last consistant QB we had was Cade McNown. There was always a QB controversy when KD was here.
They never seemed to have a plan for developing QB’s. After our two QB’s went down KD didn’t have a clue what to do. Our 3rd string QB was a walk on and the 4th string was a receiver pressed into duty.
As bad as the ND game was we have to remember we were down to dregs in QB barrel. We are going to lose tonight because we are down to the bottom of the barrel again.
What happen to the time when the bottom of the barrel was Norm Dow or John Barnes!

first to address the tressel thing, if he got off scott free despite the clarrett fiasco and what that knucklehead exposed about that program then nothing will happen with this. dude, seriously , that is the shadies coach in big time football.
i agree wth the subsequent posts, Deeeeewayne is a quality DC, period, nothing more. most of the defensive shortcomings this year were more a result of the lack of offense, HOWEVER theD has been completely incapable of handling the spread, see ast years holiday bowl, oregon, and arizona… i agree that those blemishes are glaring, yet ignored. but in spite of it all, while those of us vehemently oppose his hire as head coach, we should temper our talk because overall the dude does a good job, recruits like a mofo and is a plus to our program. we love you DEEE-wayne, just as DC, respect, lord-ah-mercy

Jim Hill on CBSs Sports Central is really pushing for RN. Did anybody else see that? As far as DW, keep him on as DC and possibly as assistant HC. Dorrell has fallen off the face of the earth.

The “process” which DG has followed for selecting a new coach is sadly lacking in quality and quantity. With all due respect to RN & DW, what about coaches of proven ability who have not even been contacted. Jim Mora Jr and Brian Kelly of Cincinnatti come to mind as dynamic and proven head coaches with no blemishes on their records and proven ability to coach.

The fiasco involving the Temple coach, the Harbaugh brother and Norm Chow (who was badly treated from the getgo) come to mind. Bellotti was only using UCLA to get a raise and DG was warned about that by no less than Phil Knight. It’s the AD who really MUST go. We haven’t head a major league AD since JD Morgan. DG knew KD was probably going to go after the ND game and he should have had a basketfull of names…instead of “cramming at the last minute”.

Since the media machine is pushing DW through our noses, we’ll counter them with these posts. I back DD entirely. Look at idiots, IDIOTS on ESPN and in the newspaper media who are saying that DW is some sort of genius. Let me tell you something about ESPN game commentators: They don’t know a THING! They’re given sheets that has high points on them. They’re not briefed on the problems, unless they’re glaring. They only are briefed on the good attributes for coaches and players. These gusy have no idea about how mediocre DW. All they do is go into a town, read the local newspapers and mirror those opinions to the nation. FOOOOOOK DAT!!

I will battle that every second that it’s shown. If you guys wanna let it happen, then get out of my way, cuz I won’t! I’ve been on the phone today talking against DW to other people and to Tim Cates on Bruin talk after the bball game.

Look, DW has ALREADY fooked things up for us! He has made the coaching list shrink. There are a number of others coaches that woudl be interested, but thanks to our newspapers and our TV media, the Administration’s desire to have DW retained has put a huge TAINT on the job. No big time coach, who has put in his years, is going to want to be told who he has to keep as a DC. That’s RIDICULOUS! Well, that alone shrunk our list of candidates.

It’s the DUMBEST move that DG has made in this search.

Bluebruin (AKA Diego) you’ve seen the espn commercial that shows your average joe talking sports they know nothing about the commercial implies that they’re talking through their ass well that is espn in a nutshell.

Twothphry I when Olson and Cowan went down with injuries I thought that would have been the perfect time to put in Chris Forcier I’ve seen his combine video the guy has a live arm and has 4.44 speed he is a huge upgrade over Bethal-Thompson and Rashan, and could have been the difference maker in a couple of games, and would have gained vaulable experience heading into 2008.

Oh My God! I think Paul Maguire is a HORRIBLE announcer to begin with but he just said how good Jay Norvell is with this offense! Seriously! Said he’s done such a good job give all of the injuries and that is a testament of the quality type of coach he is! JESUS! Lest there be any doubt, the MSM is a joke!

I, too, vote for turning the page on Walker — but not for the reasons you might think. Let’s face it, he is ONLY a perfunctory candidate and nothing more. Just a way to go through the motions of promoting from within.

Most of us DD devotees probably would agree that there’s not much about our current program that’s worth preserving. We’ve just got nothing left in the tank after the KD era. Walker’s been an adequate defensive coordinator, at best. There’ve got to be 100 other guys out there who could achieve the same results.

Without much of the beat press pimping for him, I’m not sure he’d even be ON that list. All this talk about offering him the head coaching job, keeping him as DC, touting him as the world’s greatest recruiter, whatever, gives me a case of the shrugs.

Ugghhhh!!!! I’m gonna ralph. I can’t believe we got that close and then the kick gets blocked. Well, this is UCLA football so I need to accept the nightmare is real.

We need to leave this long nightmare of mediocrity, no, out and out failure, behind us.

Clean sweep, Guerrero

DW bet all his chips on the players to win it for him. Now he is just another guy trying to hitch a ride home from Las Vegas.

Well, that about sums up this season don’t you think? One of the problems with this years team showed it’s true colors at the end. The offensive line play! If you can’t block on a 27 yard field goal attempt and you allow penetration you don’t deserve to win. This basically has been one of the most glaring problems all year. Is it coaching? YES! But, it’s also effort. I’m sick and tired of seeing our running backs getting killed by three defensive players and of OL standing there. We need a coach that teaches finishing off an opponent! Let’s hope we find one and fast. DG, GET IT DONE!

I feel sickend! But what a fitting end to a hellish season. Let the search for a new head coach continue. I like Walker as our defensive coordinator but he’s not ready to be the head coach. It’s only fitting that we lost the game since the season turned out to be a lost cause. I give Thompson credit for getting us into position to win the game, but here to we need a new quarterback. Olson and Cowen have shown they cannot last an entire season without injuries and Rasham simply can’t throw the ball. Forcier anyone?

Damn ,I thought we had that one .Did you see how emotional Bruce Davis was after the game? He and the rest of that defense left it all on the field. I know it’s hard but they should be proud .Ok BuckeyeBruin , how about that photo ,I need some cheering up .

Yep, that’s been the story for the past 5 years. Be proud boys. You lost again. Sure, it was a Mountain West Conference team and you’re in the Pac-10, but hey, be proud you couldn’t convert what amounts to a chip-shot field goal for a win. Actually, you stink.

And the beat goes on. It’s going to take more than just a head coach to turn this mess around.

It is more than a line from The Grinch Who Stole Christmas……………..

STINK!…..STANK!……STUNK!

And what about special teams?!!? The fumbles on special teams made me sick. The poor defense–I felt so bad for Davis. You can see the players have a lot of heart–they’re just so poorly coached and prepared they don’t have a chance from the get-go.

LOL Riseup! What’s your e-mail?

Is there any reason why I should renew my 7 season tickets after 26 years? DG is going to have to pull a rabbit out of his hat to get fans to fill the Rose Bowl next season as we did this year. I really don’t see any bright spots to look forward to next season. Perhaps we are just a basketball school as many claim.

BuckeyeBruin ,snd it to my phone :6262552282

I don’t know how to send a picture to a phone.

Why not go for two at the end of the first half? One point meant nothing. If you don’t make it, you still need a field goal to tie them at that point. It’s obvious we need a head coach with experience___winning experience! Neuheisel anyone?

Typical of the way bruin football has been played for the last 9+ years. Horrible, this program reeks. If they hire walker, they will delay turning this 9 year nightmare around. If Guerrero can’t pull the trigger on hiring a real coach, then his job should be on the line.

Amen, Louis.

Well I guess we know what happens if they hire DW more of what you saw or heard in tonights game great d no offense. I dont think I can stomach that for another year. RN is the only viable canidate right now. DG just squeeze the trigger and announce him as the new HC.

Rick Neuheisel period end of sentence. No more debate. He has and had national stature.

Stop the I want Belotti, I want a lower dude that does not want to come here, just get me Rick Neuheisel, period.

Has anyone purchased DumpWalker.com yet? If this Walker thing goes through, we might as well get a new headstart on the website. Since most of the local media appears to have fallen in love with Walker, has anyone heard what Steve Hartman (former Bruin and radio personality) has had to say? I know he has his radio talk show and I hope he’s been using it to suggest anyone but Walker. I’ve been out of the country for the last 6 months so I haven’t been listening to the LA radios. I would take Slick Rick and his countless NCAA violations over Walker and his 0 years of head coaching experience.

Hire Neuheisel as the HC and make Walker an assistant coach with a raise in pay (see if Neuheisel can swing getting Norm Chow in as the OC). Now the only thing to worry about is if this neoconned government of ours takes US to war with Iran more than likely resulting in a military draft in the process when it gets out of control (see the following message thread):

So will college football be suspended (next year) when all those 18-26 year-old players get drafted after Iran is attacked…?

http://tinyurl.com/29mwza

OK…Nagy, Reagan, Two, itsclear, Ed, etc….thanks for posting some sanity here! I was starting wonder whether I was losing my frickin marbles or not w/regards to DWalker as a DCoordinator!
To this point, I have NEVER been in support of hiring DW as the HC! Let me state this again…I have NEVER been in support of hiring DW as the HC! However, I was beginning to question the ferocity of those that can’t find it in themselves to give any type of credit to DW, and I also began to question the motive!
Diego, your last rant about DWalker made it loud and clear who and what you are about.
As I spend more and more time here on DD, it has began to become VERY CLEAR who understands the sport and who doesn’t…who knows sports and who doesn’t….and who’s been on a field of play at a competetive level and WHO HASN’t.
I can’t wait until they make a final decision on the HC very soon…I hope it is NOT DWalker!….However, at this point I am exhausted from all of this and TRULY want to just get behind a coach and THIS PROGRAM and move on towards some seriously successfull seasons that BITCHSLAP the morons across the city right back were they belong!
GO BRUINS!!!

UCLA_FAN…get that political bullshit out of here. Not the proper forum, but I see you working as you try to slip this in under the guise of a college football story. GET IT OUT! you USA slammin COMMIE!!! ====no no no…I’m just kidding about the USA slammin COMMIE…but seriously, please keep that crap out of here. I’m trying to enjoy a football Sunday as I roll out of bed, grab my laptop and newspaper, circle some OVER/UNDERS and some point spreads while I”m on the shitter and try not to let the newspaper, laptop and phone fall into the toilet!
No world politics please…not while I’m on the crap pot!

UCLA 03.. Steve Hartman is pimpin’ Slick Rick VERY hard!!!

UCLA fan You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Keep your politics off this site. You can always go to “MOVEON .COM”
and spill your venom out with the ACLU and Michael Moore.

Whew, I guess I got a little politcal there too. Sorry Y’all

Fred, if you say , are you saying, we should not an some level of expectations . . . why is Howland getting a MILLION and a half DOLLARS __ if Howland fails to win the Pac-10 . . should he give some money back ? ___ How much should we pay the next coach ? __ If it is not - good to start putting pressure on the next coach, then it was wrong to put pressure on D.G. regarding dud-rell __ dud-rell should still be the head coach __ This is not about winning , it is about “how you play the game ” . . . What I look for is, are the kids getting competent leadership __ No one is competent , if they do-not have experience __ walker has never been a head coach __ he has never been an Def. Coor. before U.C.L.A. __ Remenber he lost to the WORST N. D. team in History , a team, that failed to score 1 point vs. u.s.c . . That makes walker a loust Def. coordinator

Very well said also col/bruin,thats why I love this site,I think we all have lots of passion for our team.oh and what do the a.c.l.u. and moveon.org have to do with sports?
The guy just had a different take on things.we’re all bruin fans.

colonybruin,

Are you confusing me (Fred) with comments made by ED?

I originally thought your response to me was regarding my response to DD thread titled “If Dewayne Walker is Hired as head coach.”

Anyway (AGAIN) Walker is not my choice for HC, But I don’t agree that he’s a bad DC.

Hello Fred _ BY the way the Merry-est of Christmas __ I think I am saying, that there needs to be expectations , and that you think that having expectations , is harsh . . but I think there has to be expectations __ that is what the concept of right and wrong is based on ___ expectations on us as a son, brother, uncle or father __ on geo bush or catholic priest molesting kids __ If these damn coaches demand the BIG bucks . . then they had dam-well produce __ this is just a game , these coaches are doing nothing important or redeeming __ there are no social benefits in a football game __ these coaches do-not create doctors ! ___ danny-boy just wasted MILLIONs on dud-rell __ we about about to do it again, because , unless you can predict the future, it is impossible to know, which is the coach, we should hire __ it is impossible __ so danny-boy or walker or slick-rick . . has got to know , here at U.C.L.A. . . we got EXPECTATIONS ___ So DON’T COME HERE . . . UNLESS YOU CAN PRODUCE __ UNLESS you can coach like John Wooden __ that of course would scare them all off . . which is my point __ none of these bozos can coach like John Wooden __ Personally , I think they should be paid by the game . . no wins — no money . . . the more wins the more money

Thanks for the info MME!

I would be alright with the hiring of RN but I do have one concern (beyond the NCAA infractions) about Slick Rick. It seems that if he is hired he will polarize the Bruin faithful, with a handful of people annointing him the savior of Bruin Football while another group of people will be calling for his head from day one. It is possible that “any publicity is good publicity”, so Rick’s hiring could be the national attention UCLA needs. However, I would prefer to see a candidate that is fully endorsed by a greater majority of the Bruin family, but maybe I’m just being idealistic.

Just take a look at Ben Howland when he was hired though. Most Bruins could agree that he had a spotless record, wanted desperately to be the next UCLA head coach, and also produced outstanding teams in hard to recruit areas (i.e. Pitt and Northern Arizona). When it was announced that he would become UCLA’s head coach, everyone for the most part was supportive of the hire, which I think gave Coach Howland the ability to really get off on the right foot. The hiring of Slick Rick would immediately thrust UCLA into the spotlight, but every small mistake that RN makes will be magnified by all the alumni and fans that didn’t support his hiring in the first place, which can be extremely disruptive to the growth of a football program.

When scanning the college landscape of coaches, one coach that seems to be a Ben Howland “football clone” is Brian Kelly of Cincinatti. His record is extremely impressive and he appears to be an extremely straight forward and transparent coach (much like Ben Howland). The one thing I have against Rick is that “straight forward” and “transparent” are probably the last two adjectives I would use to describe him. I hope Dan Guerrero can at least draw some of the same parallels I see and give Coach Kelly an interview. Who knows, he may stumble upon the next Ben Howland, which isn’t a bad thing to stumble upon. Only this time, Brian Kelly is not going to hire and openly campaign for himself, unlike Coach Howland the first time around. Guess that means Guerrero will have to do some work this time around, what a novel idea.

UCLA03, Consensus breeds mediocrity. One trip to a BCS Bowl under Neuheisel and those polarized people, who are anti-Neuheisel now, will be telling anyone who will listen how they always knew Neuheisel was the right guy for the job.

Coach Howland becoming coach was a virtual consensus and I think our basketball program is far from mediocre. I never said I didn’t like RN, I am a RN supporter. I just think we should expand our search beyond DW, (5-19) Al Golden, and Slick Rick. We are UCLA and that is the best the best we can come up with? That is the real problem I have with this search. Who are we going to interview next, Jim McMahon’s younger brother, maybe Duke’s former football coach, or maybe a special teams coach from a football factory like San Jose State? Seriously, with a search firm that produces candidates like that, who needs enemies.

UCLA03….Uh, I thought Rick Pitino was the guy everyone wanted. Howland wanted the job but claimed he wanted to finish the job at Pitt so wasn’t available at first asking.

Who cares if the people who don’t know jack about football are polarized? I want to win, not satisfy a bunch of quiche eating idiots who never played a down of football but have an opinion because they read articles written by the morons on the UCLA beat.

Yes, we are UCLA. The same institution that hasn’t won a national championship in football since 1954. And, even then, we had to split it with Ohio State. Why would any of these un-named “big name” coaches be interested in coming to UCLA? To get a tan? Are we supposed to think these so-called big name coaches have been biding their time at universities with winning football traditions, just waiting for the UCLA job to come open? Why? To screw up their resume?

I can tell by the tone of your post that you sincerely want what is best for UCLA football. I guess I can’t understand why so many UCLA people (not you) are fighting the naming of Neuheisel, as if there is some magic coach out there who can out-perform Neuheisel. Is it Erickson? Well, Neuheisel is 3-1 vs Erickson. Is it Bellotti? Well, Neuheisel is something like 4-1 vs Bellotti. So, who is the search firm supposed to come up with? Kelly? I like him but what has he done that surpasses Neuheisel’s accomplishments? Nothing.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful post and being concerned for the welfare of the football program.

UCLA03, there are no other candidates that have been interviewed and pursued, thanks to the LA Media and our own Mediocre-loving Administration. PUshing DW onto people has caused the list of candidates to SHRINK. We hired a search firm and all that has been done is, interviews for Chow, Neuheisel (alumni approached DG to force this interview. Guys like Aikman met with DG) Al Golden (someone chancellor block wanted)and John Harbaugh’s brother. THAT’S IT!!!! That’s all that was produced because it’s likely that when the search firm was asking candidates to gauge their interest in UCLA, they may’ve mentioned something about keeping DW on as DC! This SHRUNK our list. What big time coach is going to want to be told who to bring in as DC??

what a major fook up that was!! That search firm was a TOTAL waste, if this is the list that will yield a coach. With the exception of John Harbaugh, all of those other names were candidates we would’ve pursued without the firm.

What do you think of Guerrero now Diego? You said he would turn this thing around because he was committed to the football team and getting a good coach. Well he sure is going about it the wrong way isn’t he? He totally screwed up as you said by insisting that any new coach keep Walker. He might as well make it official now and remove the interim tag. We appear stuck with another inexperienced head coach. Dump Guerrero! What a dumb-ass he turned out to be. Get ready for another 5 years of 6-7 and 7-6 finishes. Maybe another 13-9 victory over SC in 5 years. Maybe another Sun Bowl win over Northwestern sandwhiched around 4 bowl losses in December. Maybe we just shouldn’t give a fart anymore because the program called UCLA football has been run to the ground by Guerrero, and the Administration. We are getting closer to being the Duke of the Pac-10 rather than Usc closest competitor.

Man Puke ,you sure love you some Neuheisel ,talk about a man crush .You make it sound as if all he’s missing is a cape and a sidekick . I think he’s a suitable candidate but you’re damn near ready to canonize the guy . Again , his record after a few years at each stop is extremely troubling .Was it because as someone else said that he failed to recruit lineman as a result of too much focus on skill positions ? Was it because his overall program was deficient in some way . I’LL ask you again ,why does his record drop off after his recruits and his program are completely in place ? I don’t care about the B.S. infractions ,all I’m talking about is football .If he is what you say he is then his program should have been gaining strength and hitting stride but it was not .Why? Two different schools , same decline in wins .If you could go back and see ,maybe injuries ,maybe something else . I myself do not profess to know the answers but I’m not the one promoting him as the messiah . Also , what kind of offense is he known for ? Will it attract today’s high school athlete ? Who are his success stories that he can point to ? Maybe Troy Aikman ,Cordell Stewart, who else ,what else? Today’s recruits have short memories as they have only been on the planet for 18 years . So far the biggest argument for R.N. has been personality ,I think you guys are thinking about Pete way too much in this regard . How much personality did Tom Landry , Bill Walsh , Chuck Noll, Bill Belichick or Bob Stoops have ? You better know you’re football and be able to sustain your philosophy over time or personality will only get you so far ? I’m going to the gym , you guys can commence with your hysteria as a result of my sacrilege .

Rise up….Who was it you had a crush on? Oh, Chow. Well, he’s dog chow, now.

Actually, Rise, you shouldn’t get all upset over the fact Chow has been passed over AGAIN. He’s used to it. And, what the hell, he never even had a program that was his for anyone to critique.

C’mon, Rise, fess up. You were in that pool Neuheisel won, weren’t you? You’re just ticked he took your lunch money, right?

puke-well I can’t speak for rise, but is that the best you can come up with to defend you’re beloved slick rick is satire?
I expect that from javier, but you “puke,” I guess you don’t have an answer for a legitmate question.
so instead of just saying uhh,,,,, I DONT KNOW WHY?
you come with jokes,
come on puke.

Rise Up….you know you are riding that “Neuheisel’s wins tailed off” horse to death. As I’ve said before, what was the guy going to do after an 11-1 season? According to you, the only thing he should have done is go 12-0, anything other than that is tailing off. So, he went 8-4 the next year. I know you think Chow would go 12-0 every year, but we aren’t talking about Mah Jong, here, Rise. In football, sometimes the breaks don’t go your way EVERY fricking year. Schedules change, home and homes come into play, guys get hurt, etc.

As I said before, Chow failed his interview because an interviewer asked him the importance of special teams and he said, “I don’t know Jerry Lewis personally, but I’m all for special kids playing football.”

Sorry Shony, I couldn’t resist.

In the earlier post I meant to say, “home and aways come into play……

Oh, please excuse my poor spelling ,I was laughing too hard to focus ! HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYBODY !! I wish you all the best !! GO RICK ,GO RICK, GO RICK !

Rise….I know you know I am just goofing around. We’ve been doing this for a while.

I’m sure you get impatient having to tell people over and over why you don’t like Neuheisel. And when I had to explain, for what seems like the hundreth time, why I was for Neuheisel I probably sounded like I was getting upset. Not so.

But, in re-reading my posts, you are right. I should not have said anything about Chow that could have been thought of as a racial hit. Luckily, my wife is Asian. She told me to take a break and go wok the dog.

wow , i just got back from a great dinner and have noticed a very interesting question posed by what I thought were die hard bruin fans, well here it goes kids, TAKE NOTES:
1988 karl dorrell began his coaching career as graduate assistant coach under terry donahue, and i’m sure you slik rick fans know who was the Q.B coach at that time for the next two seasons? none other than SLICK RICK.
I realize that it’s not norm chow and pete carrol, but it shows that k.d. and r.n. are cut from the same cloth.

Now that i’ve answered your question, can someone please tell me why r.n. teams got steadly worse as time went on? and please puke, dont give me that stuff about what he did with someone elses recruits. Tell me what he did once his players were in there, and his program was well underway.
oh if anyone wants to substantiate the kd and rn coaching thing, it’s easy just run a web search for their bios.
thanx merry xmas.

p.s. kuddos to everyone on this site,for caring this much about bruin football.

Excellent research Shony. However, your argument that Dorrell and Neuheisel are cut from the same cloth because they happened to be on the UCLA staff at the same time doesn’t hold water. Its like saying Walker and Carroll are cut from the same cloth since they were on the same staff. And, therefore, Dorrell is cut from the same cloth as Carroll since he and Walker were on the same staff. Faulty hypothesis, there is no correlation.

You know what? I don’t want to argue with you. I really don’t. For the sake of peace, let’s just say we agree to disagree.

I’m happy you had a great dinner. I hope you have a very happy holiday season.

you to puke, and like i said b/4 everyone on this site deserves props for caring about bruin football.
happy holidays bruins.

Right on shony420! Merry Christmas fellow Bruin fans!

This message board seem to have the greatest number of Neuheisel supporters.

Could some of you Neuheisel activists come to me thread on ESPN.com board and support me?
http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=ncaa&id=conf21&tid=1995168

I believe we are only hours away from the announcing of his hiring.

Go Rick and Bruins!

About to Puke…so what you are saying is….by the transitive property of equality, we might be OK?! Or we’re gonna suck again?! I used to sleep with my head on my text book the night before a final so that I could absorb the information instead of going to class and taking notes/doing the assigned work/etc…is that the same?

Colonybruin, kinda hard to keep the other team out of the end zone when your offense keeps giving the other team the ball in the red zone…..AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH! Don’t be silly about letting Notre Dame score/beat us. Not all the defense’s fault….again….kinda hard to keep the other team out of the end zone when your offense keeps giving the other team the ball in the red zone….but who’s paying any attention to that kinda stuff…Dwalker is terrible right?!

Also, think about where SuC gave Notre Dame the ball…Usually after they SCORED right?….which we were really good at doing against ND (tongue in cheek). Again, read my posts earlier today…Never been in support of hiring DW as HC…still not in support of that…it would be a BIG mistake…but he is not as BAD a DC as some of you are trying to make him out to be…read earlier posts!!!

MME __ walker has never been a def. coor.. . thus it is impossible for him to do a good job __ Zero experience __ it is that simple __ it takes years to learn __ I would say about 10 years , for most coaches __ walker is nothing special __ He will never be better than average __ if you have to make excuses for him (offense), then you are admitting he did not do an excellent job__

Is there a “Moral” playoff bowl?

Colony, not impossible for anyone to do a good job at anything with zero experience. It IS that simple. so what you are saying is that every US President to date has had ZERO experience as president so they all had to have done a terrible job….very impressive colonyBOY!!!! If you truly know anything about the college/professional ranks and how young talented coaches rise through those ranks you would understand that a DC with no DC experience does not mean what you claim!
Graduate assitants in college….the dedicated and the good ones, spend endless hours pouring over and studying professional and college offensive playbooks and defensive playbooks. They go to their graduate classes and burn the midnight oil learning everything that they possibly can about the game, where it is at, and where it is going…and the good ones…the innovative ones…they don’t need 10 years of DC experience to be good….ONLY THE INEPT ONES NEED 10 YEARS TO BECOME GOOD!!!
You have truly exposed yourself to ME and all of those within the coaching ranks to your ignorance.
After graduate assistant, position coaches….etc. etc.etc….
You are on the right track though…experience helps…but a dumbass DC w/10 years experience is not better than a well versed, innovative student of the game that can understand and manuever around the game and its challenges in only a short while…like in their first year!
Do you get that 10 year thing from your own past experiences. Aren’t you the one that keeps putting ole’ Danny Boy down and expressing how butt-hurt you are that UCLA should’ve hired what I”m thinking is your old college buddies/roomies for the job?! Yeah it is you isn’t it.
Cut the shit and quit being a pissed off old man that can’t stand a successul minority in a position of power, and root for ole’ danny boy to hire NUEHEISEL (spelling?)
Learn the ins and outs of professional coaching and then we’ll talk about needing 10 years of DC experience to be a good DC.
and as far as claiming that I”m making excuses for the Defenseive woes…they aren’t excuses…they are REASONS!!! very different.
Learn from your mistakes…be better than that….and don’t take 10 years to figure it out.
NO WALKER FOR HC!

GO BRUINS

Mr. MME relax dude, this ain’t WW III ___ Calm down or you will blow your fuse __ If you were sure in your opinion . . you could express yourself, in a civil manner ___ if you were correct , why are your emotions running amuck ? __ why are you degrading this , to a personal level __ tell us, did John Wooden win the NCAA his first year ???????????? __ WHY ? ? ? __ because he needed experience ___ How many years did it take for John Wooden to win first NCAA ??????? W H Y ? ? ? ? _______________________________________what coach has won the NCAA in his first year ????????? __ WHY ?????? ______ BECAUSE they did-not know what they were doing __ __ so you think presidents do excellent jobs __ which president has done the best job ???? __ which president did a great job __ are you saying G Bush is doing a great job __ what has Bush done except let a 747 fly into the Twin towers __ beside spend Billions trying to take over the oil fields ? ? ? ___ that is your proof , you don’t need experience ? ? ? ___ which president has ended poverty __ which president has ended un-employment __which president brought about full employment __ which president got rid of traffic problems ? _____ can you count . . what is the National Debt ???????? __ how many Billions ??? __ but you don’t call that terrible . . then tell us . . how we repay over a trillion dollars ??????? ___ you want to give G. Bush a 3rd term as president . . right ? __ what coach out there wins repeat football championships __ none __ that is because they are not a great coach . . . . even with experience !!!!!!!!! __ it is just some years they get lucky , but are not good enough to repeat __ ever has sex . . how good were you the first time ? ? ? ? Ha Ha Ha ___ how good are you now

Your hearing me, but you aren’t listening. Where would you possibly deduce that I am saying GB is doing a great job?! Very short sighted and again IGNORing what I wrote. You have definitely done a fine job of putting words into my mouth though….GB could be in office for ten years and not get any better…most likely wouldn’t…JFK did a pretty good job for not knowing what he was doing….did such a good job that he was executed for it… (that is a whole different topic though)
Did I really say that I want to give GB a 3rd term??? no you did..not me…
When you say, “what coach out there wins repeat football championships__none__that is because they are not a great coach…EVEN WITH EXPERIENCE!!!!”, it seems as if you are agreeing to some extent with what I am pointing out…experience can help…but you have to naturally be a good coach before you can become a great Head Coach.
I think that DW is a good DC. Definitely not a good choice to lead our football team as the HC.
Match UCLA’s defense this year with SuC’s offense and make them a team….you probably win a national title!!! Match UCLA’s defense this year with UCLA’s offense and you see what we get.
So how can you reasonably say that DW is such a bad DC?! Excuses….mmmmm….NO…..REASONS….yes, think about it a little differently.
Actually, neither one of us can truly evaluate DW fairly as a DC to this point. It is kind of skewed to look at and evaluate DW’s success at this point without taking into consideration the ineptitude of our offense.
POM POM could have been our defensive coordinator this year and we still would have been in pretty much the same place.
You can’t do anything as a DC when your players are beat up, beat down and exhausted because the offense can’t get 10 yards consistently.
Best and most recent example….BYU scores a touchdown after getting an interception early in that game the other day.
Those points go against the defensive stats, but you can’t really blame them for the situation that they were put in. Now think about how often similar circumstances occured througout the season…and you simply blame DW for being a poor DC because he doesn’t have enough experience?!
C’mon, like I said before…be better than that. There are better DC’s, but I can’t really watch people hammer any coach with such recklessness without throwing a flag.
I apologize for the emotional outburst earlier and I hope I was able to express my argument a little better this time.
Wooden also needed some time to get those national championship caliber players also…He may have been that great to begin with, but without the horses, you may as well be in a gun fight equipped with only a switch blade.
GO BRUINS

Oh and by the way… I sucked at sex the first time…she said, “are you done already?!”.
Just the other night, my woman said, “wow, that was pretty fast!”
Guess I’m no John Wooden. AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Didn’t Steve Fisher win a national title his first year as head coach?! Someone please verify.

cmon guys, lets stay away from the politics and name calling … have a great holiday!!

Fish won his first year and took the Wolverines to the national title game two more times after that. Lack of experience didn’t keep him from being a spectacular coach! So yes…it in not impossible to be a good coach without experience…tough and few and far between, but not impossible.